a no-fly zone is a step toward a military environment, but not a full military environment. what would be your answer to that question? >> well, frankly, i think that coming in, this is, some of what, of the calculation that went into the intervention in libya was that if we intervene in libya we will have to intervene in syria because we've already done this. that's a little bit too flip, but that's one -- but personally i'd, you know, if i were in a position, i would be in favor of a no-fly zone. i think that -- so would the turks. they're saying you are repeating history over and over again. what i think is problematic is, a certain caliber weapons to opposition which we don't know exactly who they are. repeating a bad precedent. you don't want those weapons to fall into the wrong hands. what's happened to the 20,000 surface-to-air missiles that were supposedly in gadhafi -- all other answer to that, but yeah, i mean, i would think that if you're going to follow that rationale, ultimately that would make sense. safe havens. >> i would like to ask you if you give detail --